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    Favorite Eva Characters

    Post by mitsuki lover on 1/11/2010, 3:50 pm

    Considering my avvie and the fact that the Rebuild movies have come out I was wondering which Eva characters are everyone's personal favorites.I know I could turn this into a poll,but I have a hunch a certain blue haired girl would end up on the top.
    I don't hate Rei,I just thought it be too obvious she'd be near the top of the popularity charts.
    Ok that said here are my faves:
    1.Misato
    why:Well she's the most likeable character in the entire series,at least as far as I'm concerned.Also she tries hard,but between her drinking and sloppy habits isn't the best role model for either Asuka or Shinji.I think she's still dealing with issues from her past.Then again you have to love a gal that keeps a penguin around for company!!!
    2.Asuka
    why:Yeah,she's a walking time bomb with all that angst and trauma built up inside her still she's:1.Intelligent2.Has Red Hair3.Part German
    4.Stubborn5.Has Red Hair6.Did I mention she has Red Hair?
    I know she's most people's least favorite Eva pilot and character in general,but all in all I think the only reason she acts the way she does to Shinji and Rei is she's afraid of getting overly close to them and doesn't want to be hurt after what her parents did to her.
    3.Rei
    why:Yeah,that blue haired girl's on my list. I like her because she is so cool and stoic.It's not until the end of the series that we really learn her secret.I think that makes her even cooler.Emotionally she's the hardest to get a grip on.Shinji and Asuka are pretty open as to where they are but Rei's difficult.Maybe being a clone has something to do with it.
    4.Ritsuko
    why:Watch ep.11 and see how she reacts when the power goes off.The fact of the matter is she's just as stoic as Rei,and it's not until the very end where she looses it.I think she's like Asuka in that she tends to keep her trauma inside and so when they both loose it they go for it in the Grand Style.one ends up soaking in a bath tub and the other ends up Making The Grand Gesture.
    Ok...now it's your turn to tell us who like.
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    Post by Almael on 1/11/2010, 4:05 pm

    ...so you have been unfaithful to your namesake?

    Hmm,
    1. Yui Ikari; no one can beat a milf! Laughing
    2. Asuka; yeah the prime mistress
    3. Rei; slaves are a must.
    4. any other outrageous inmoral heartbreaking choice.
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    Post by JGZinv on 1/11/2010, 10:50 pm

    I've not seen anything beyond the original, and not the movies.
    Personally I thought it was a mess... kinda of like what you'd get if you threw a man
    in a washing machine of illegal drugs and locked the lid until he drank them all... which
    if you read the wiki... was close to how NGE came about.

    For the sake of the topic though, I actually liked Asuka of anyone in NGE.
    Something about the whole speaking English one second to German the next I find... interesting in a person/character.

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    Re: Favorite Eva Characters

    Post by tanis1lionheart on 1/11/2010, 11:03 pm

    Asuka was ok, Rei has the best porn.

    Although I am a fan of Jesus/Lucifer (?), Kaworu Nagisa.
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    Post by AlexT on 1/12/2010, 6:48 am

    Such a simple topic turn out to be such an occasion to learn new stuff about people...

    I won't be original here - i must say they (animators, authors whatever) managed to make Asuka very hot - it's not her looks but a combination of character, the way she act etc. She also a lot like a person i know very well in a rl so i vote for her Smile

    Milfs? Well, i do agree cuz some women are indeed truly shine when they're 30+... but this one is nothing special...or are you into these "science" girls in white coats, Almael? Very Happy

    Rei is not my type - dunno if slaves a must, but i get tired of silent, apathetic types quickly Smile

    I tried to google about Kaworu Nagisa to refresh memory and came across this pic collection (just scroll, it's not in English, but i warn you!)
    http://evangelion.3bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=29
    According to these he's not J. or L., he's something else
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    Post by Almael on 1/12/2010, 3:38 pm

    tanis1lionheart wrote:Kaworu Nagisa.
    Nice, he is actually the only one who truely loves Shinji.

    AlexT wrote:
    Milfs? Well, i do agree cuz some women are indeed truly shine when they're 30+... but this one is nothing special...or are you into these "science" girls in white coats, Almael? Very Happy
    According to these he's not J. or L., he's something else
    I can't argue with your experience.
    What's with this sudden BS.
    There is nothing wrong with either milf


    or science gal


    or other types


    or same gender


    or other species


    Love knows no bounds!
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    Post by tanis1lionheart on 1/12/2010, 4:01 pm

    I'm still saying Kaworu is a sort of 'Lucifer', not Satan, but Lucifer.
    The difference?
    Satan is more the 'evil bad guy', while Lucifer is more the challenger or rebel type.


    In case you haven't watched/read the movies/series/manga
    Spoiler:
    In NGE Kaworu, in a way, denies his destiny to destroy humanity and encourages Jesus (Shinji) to spare humans, even though he's not really sure he wants to.
    In this way Kaworu, who I think had more of a brotherly love than homosexual love towards Shinji, rebels against a dictator-god (the one who 'sent' the angels).

    Again, just a theory.
    Sort of like my 'Rei = Gaea' deal.

    Also, to all the 'Rie+Shinji' folks.
    You're sick, really really really sick...that's a clone(ish) of his freaking mom!
    Eww...
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    Post by AlexT on 1/12/2010, 7:17 pm

    Almael, don't take it so seriously. Let's just say in here it's common for older men to go out with younger women but not in vise versa and when it happen it is usualy a subject for jokes...So i guess tried to make one unintentionally. Sorry. But i assure you - i have no problems with milfs. Unfortunately my experience here goes no further than visual contact even though i did meet some of those gorgeous types. Wink
    Spoiler:
    But i did have experience with "white coats" (or whatever it's called), i knew this nurse couple of years back...a true life saver she was, even though you couldn't mistake her with scientist once she start talking Very Happy

    Tanis, i see what you mean, even though it's unusual to see someone picturing Lucifer as rebel type and not just another incarnation of Satan (many people wouldn't tell a differense). Of course i watched and even read - i have the manga somewhere. I just can't imagine them as incarnation of Jesus/Lucifer... for me Shinji is incarnation of common man with all his typical weaknesses surrounded by characters that try to guide him (but fail cuz he's a moron of course). But more likely - he's incarnation of author's own fears and thoughts, i read about history of Eva's birth and it's author long ago - the guy was in deep depression and the end of Eva explained much to me here...) But your theory is interesting...

    As for Kawory - that's not just brother's love, you can tell by how he act, looks etc - he definitely wants him. Very Happy

    And finaly - i don't know how about you but i noticed long ago that Japanese authors are good at creating "illusion of deeper meaning" (dunno how else to call it). I can bet the author is not even sure himself - he just threw everything he had in his head atm on the table and made something out of it. Everyone sees something of their own in Eva... And i'm also sure some parts are taken from the real life so only author could probably tell what this all about..


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    Post by tanis1lionheart on 1/12/2010, 9:22 pm

    I'm sure.

    If you read the Old Testament the original Lucifer isn't the enemy of Yahweh, he's a challenger who helps give a better understanding of 'right' & 'wrong'.

    I prefer to see Lucifer like 'The Sandman' or 'Lucifer' comics do.
    Not a villain, nor a hero, just the first of Creation to rebel against an (unfair) dictator.

    But I do see the part with Shinji and the common man.
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    Post by Almael on 1/13/2010, 8:38 am

    Spoiler:

    female white coats are usually most popular in the military...

    NGE certainly is about human rebellion:
    -the old guys who want to become close to god
    -nerv core members who want to keep the world save
    -Gendo Ikari who wants to prevent the old guys from holding such powers

    Shinji, on the other hand is someone who is isolated or abandon and is forced to and try to find a place in the world as well as a meaning for life. Of course once he discovers them everything goes down the drain... Because of his sufferings/struggle he is about to develop the a kind understanding mind. Well, it's not that he was not already like that at the beginning but now he got more experience and can offer help himself than being helped.

    So he isn't 100% jesus yet because he had no chance to live further and use his 'new' abilities.

    NGE doesn't look unorganized or thrown together to me, but it has many implications or unsaid things that leave people wondering but imho the answer is indicated by other details revealed. At least I never had problem with NGE. The only unorganized and badly parts done where the last two episodes. That's where they were probably not able to come up with an answere at the time. NGE's charm is this supposedly mystery and the immoral, cruel stories.
    Anime's where they throw things together usually are long and have filler episode that don't advance the story arc. Exceptions are of course series that live on small stories like relationships or other live stories etc.

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    As to incest, children loving their parents is natural. Becoming lovers, it's more of a tabu on the side of the parent then child, and the worst case. Between siblings is the least case.
    That's why the later is most popular in soap operas.

    Note worthy is that the tabu is human made. Animals usually die early, hence, incest mostly happens between siblings.

    The notion that humans are better than animals I have to repel. There is no real difference except that humans are exceptionally more intelligent. Everything else is a result of that ability. It doesn't mean that another intelligent animal cannot achieve similarly given the chance. However, because of our intelligence and awareness we are responsible for our actions. [It is a power that comes with responsibility Laughing ] But since most people aren't taking that serious we are closer to animals than not.

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    Lucifer is said to be the greatest angel closes to god. He rebels because he did not agree on certain matters, hence, was banned with his fellowers.
    Satan, the devil and other names came up later because people did not want to use his name or because it's a propaganda move. In any case he is the ringleader.
    Just that they have different opinion doesn't mean they are not of the overall species angel.
    This is another example of the closesness of evil and good.
    Is this differentiation a discrimination done by humans or heaven?
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    Post by AlexT on 1/13/2010, 11:12 am

    Spoiler:
    Not necessery, they still wear em in our hospitals/clinics Wink
    Almael wrote:
    NGE certainly is about human rebellion:
    -the old guys who want to become close to god
    -nerv core members who want to keep the world save
    -Gendo Ikari who wants to prevent the old guys from holding such powers.....
    Hmm...you did put it together very well. I didn't see some of those moments clearly ...but it's just not what i look at in stories like these - i always look at characters, usualy the way story goes depends on them in the end, this one is no exception.

    But maybe you're too logical? From what i read there were huge changes to the plot and many logical errors - it seems like story (world, tech, combat etc) wasn't primary focus of the author...

    Now, what would grandpa Freud tell? Very Happy [searches for suitable s.o.a.d song and starts to write]:
    Spoiler:
    Didn't anime tell us that at least part of the story could be result of Shinji's sick imagination? I see a guy who experienced many failures/fears with girls and it hurt his self-evaluation* -it's only natural that spoiled boy of his age goes deep into some fantasy where he's very important but even there he realize nobody gonna love* him just because of his importance. It cause conflict with his immense sense of self-importance and self-pitty. When they brought Asuka in it was all clear to me - she is the type the guys like Shinji fear the most and want the most of course. The end just show depths of darkness to which a person who realized himself as complete failure goes, yet his self-pity is so great he can't even die properly... Oh cruel world - nobody gonna offer himself to poor Shinji But his father said it all so it's not just me.
    Also remember those shots from real life? That was a hint. Whole anime have this soap-drama feel of some rejected, pity-wanting individual who's in depression, can't anyone sense it? This is anime about growing up and difficultioes related to it - for some it's hard and painfull. But maybe it will teach a kid or two not to be Shinji
    The notion that humans are better than animals I have to repel.
    “A living being seeks above all else to discharge its strength. Life itself is will to power. Nothing else matters.” Hehe.
    But seriously - It will always depend on values of specific person and is always subjective hence world will never be perfect for any taken individual. All we can do is to improve our judgment. Enlightenment! ftw And generalization/averaging is the real evil btw Wink

    About incest - most of the lions receive their first sexual experience with mother and sisters...I read about it in some nature book and even seen mentioned on animal planet i think.

    Lucifer is said to be the greatest angel closes to god. He rebels
    because he did not agree on certain matters, hence, was banned with his
    fellowers.
    I guess it's when democracy is not working Very Happy


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    Post by mitsuki lover on 1/13/2010, 2:59 pm

    First let me note that Dual was made to be a parody of Eva and the main Dual characters are more or less take offs of the main Eva characters.This said I don't think I 'betrayed' Mitsuki Sanada in any way by stating that Asuka was my second favorite Eva character.The fact is that MS was meant to be in some extent the 'Asuka' character in Dual,with the exception of not having all that angst and being a 'kinder,gentler' version of her.
    Second,yeah I maybe prejudiced when it comes to Asuka because we both have red hair and both are partly of German descent.
    Third,I could have included Hikari.
    btw:Did you know Hikari's Twin Sister is Nuku Nuku's best friend in Nuku Nuku tv series?
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    Post by JGZinv on 1/13/2010, 4:09 pm

    Actually it's an EVA themed parallel dimension of the Tenchi-verse... not so much an intended direct ripoff... but whichever....


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    Post by Almael on 1/13/2010, 9:16 pm

    Yes, there are lots of stuff one could write about NGE wether it be errors, philosophy or whatever, but that would be too long and out of place.
    NGE plays a mind game intended or not that's why many have trouble to follow. One reason why I say 'Air' is better at this.

    AlexT wrote:
    Now, what would grandpa Freud tell?
    *sudden backward move*
    "Rossiu, are you a monster?" Kittan, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Laughing
    Spoiler:

    No, it points out that everything could have been his imagination, but it is not. (see similarly StarTrek DS9 Season6? where Sisko thought he was thinking it all up.)
    As a whole, NGE is not only about Shinji because everyone else got nearly as much showtime.


    And generalization/averaging is the real evil btw
    That depends
    -generalization because of ignorance, yes
    -generalization to sum your understanding, no


    I guess it's when democracy is not working
    it was never a democracy, because dictatorship is more efficient. Razz

    mitsuki wrote:
    I don't think I 'betrayed' Mitsuki Sanada in any way
    Well, ignoring the multiple personality of Mitsuki, I guess Asuka is an alternate character in a parallel world. Laughing
    Even JGZinv gives up about parallel universe argumentation. Btw. I looked up for existing chinese books on Dual to give some help for a translation, but it seems Dual is very rare. There are not even modelkits to be found.


    btw:Did you know Hikari's Twin Sister is Nuku Nuku's best friend in Nuku Nuku tv series?
    Nope, could never have guessed that a girl looking the same in a different anime is in anyway related. Nevermind, though! Laughing
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    Post by JGZinv on 1/14/2010, 12:14 am

    Btw. I looked up for existing chinese books on Dual to give some help
    for a translation, but it seems Dual is very rare. There are not even
    modelkits to be found.

    Yes there are... I own two.. and there were several more made up by two different people.
    Go look at our invisionplus forum... I've got a couple threads dedicated to the models.
    What I don't own from Dual can be counted on one hand - and I know what those items are.


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    Post by AlexT on 1/14/2010, 6:43 am

    Almael wrote:
    NGE plays a mind game intended or not that's why many have trouble to follow. One reason why I say 'Air' is better at this.
    Hmm, i should probably check it out...
    Spoiler:
    Small offtopic - did you see Texnolyze btw?

    As a whole, NGE is not only about Shinji because everyone else got nearly as much showtime.
    He just plays the key role and also show how 1 bad player in a team can ruin it all. And his "struggle within" is anime's "focal point" so i just can't ignore it Smile

    it was never a democracy, because dictatorship is more efficient.
    Efficient only from dictator's perspective Wink If we agree that efficiency is measured by average citizen's quality of life and freedom of course..

    Nope, could never have guessed that a girl looking the same in a different anime is in anyway related. Nevermind, though! Laughing
    It's probably because they used one of character templates they have one the wall in studio Wink Everyone pay so much attention to characters, but they're just storytelling tools and often re-used as a whole for economy/speed/lack of new ideas. I have a videos and read about anime production and everything is a lot less romantic than many think Wink
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    Post by tanis1lionheart on 1/14/2010, 8:02 am

    Hitler was elected by a democratic society.

    Very Happy


    Also:
    Asuka has some great hentai.
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    Post by Almael on 1/14/2010, 9:05 am

    Spoiler:
    AlexT wrote:Small offtopic - did you see Texnolyze btw?
    Nope. Looks like another from the tokyo babylon genre.... Maybe later Smile

    AlexT wrote:Efficient only from dictator's perspective Wink
    tanis1lionheart wrote:Hitler was elected by a democratic society.Very Happy
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    It's probably because they used one of character templates they have one the wall in studio Wink Everyone pay so much attention to characters, but they're just storytelling tools and often re-used as a whole for economy/speed/lack of new ideas. I have a videos and read about anime production and everything is a lot less romantic than many think Wink
    They are still better than the standard manual for making scripts for TV series like the newest Stargate Universe.

    tanis1lionheart wrote:
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    Asuka has some great hentai.
    Dunno, I would have guess she would be into S&M.
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    Post by AlexT on 1/15/2010, 6:40 am

    Spoiler:
    Almael wrote:Nope. Looks like another from the tokyo babylon genre.... Maybe later
    Strong anime, not the kids stuff though (and i don't mean violence or sex, just the depth and philosophy) so you'll probably like it if you like the genre.
    dito.
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    They are still better than the standard manual for making scripts for TV series like the newest Stargate Universe.
    You're right, i forgot about all those series and stuff...
    Spoiler:
    The more i think about it - average anime story and characters are indeed usually way "deeper" than in most of the western stuff, does it reflect level of the Japanese audience?

    Dunno, I would have guess she would be into S&M.
    Why's that' just a normal girl, not some p...y. I like this type and none of them practiced S&M, well, maybe just a little Wink
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    Post by Almael on 1/15/2010, 8:17 am

    AlexT wrote:
    Thanks to you i learned a new word
    ^o^ just some latin

    Spoiler:
    The more i think about it - average anime story and characters are indeed usually way "deeper" than in most of the western stuff, does it reflect level of the Japanese audience?
    Yes. General school knowledge is higher than eg in the US. In US from high school on you can choose classes, hence, people choose what they like and may never ever learn anything outside their 'box'. Europe, Japan etc always require the same general classes plus extra chooseable classes. Then of course it depends on the teacher to bring up other stuff.


    Why's that' just a normal girl, not some p...y. I like this type and none of them practiced S&M, well, maybe just a little Wink
    You never know. Laughing
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    Post by mitsuki lover on 1/20/2010, 12:43 pm

    Somehow I can't imagine Asuka wearing anything leather other than shoes.Now Ritsuko on the other hand...
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    Post by mitsuki lover on 1/27/2010, 3:46 pm


    Glad I'm not Catholic...that sight would have cost me a few hundred Hail Marys if I were !!!
    Though I still maintain Ritsuko would seem more likely to do something like that.It's always the geeky type that have those sort of secrets.
    Yeah...Ritsuko and Gendo playing Evil Mad Girl Scientist and whatever Gendo is!!!

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